The Level Design Podcast

With your host, Scott Zurn, P.E.

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Welcome to The Level Design Podcast with Scott Zurn, Professional Engineer with over 3 decades of experience and Founder of Level Design Partners, a for-benefit Company striving to bring prosperity to the design professional. Check out what they are up to at

This Podcast will be exploring the in’s and outs of the design industry, bringing new thinking to outdated systems, and aiming to restore value and honor to the unique people who choose to be designers, engineers, and architects.

We’ll be discussing how you can thrive in this industry by creating more freedom, flexibility, and financial security as a design professional, regardless of your current situation.

This podcast is in part a foundation for open conversation regarding the A&E industry. In future episodes we will discuss the realities of the industry today and what the future may look like.

It is our belief that positive change for Architects & Engineers is not the obligation of the industry, but rather your choice to reimagine how we work together. We invite you to join us in creating a world in which Design Professionals thrive.

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EP 7: How you can keep a bigger piece of the pie

With a combined 70 years of design experience under their belts, Scott and Murray discuss a few common paths that design professionals have today and the future of our industry.

In this fascinating episode, they cover…

✅ Environmental changes & our responsibility
✅ What’s currently available as far as design career paths today
✅ The business model we’re building with Level Design Partners
✅ Entrepreneurship
✅ The voids that often come with independence
✅ Mentorship (we need mentors in our industry)
✅ Why many design professionals struggle to retire
✅ Creating your own destiny

EP 6: We’ve gotten lazy. What we can do moving forward.

Most of our modern human conveniences are designed and produced by a community of brilliant but unseen professionals, and the public doesn’t know it. Why?

Join Scott Zurn and co-host Murray McBride as they discuss their professional backgrounds and why communication and trust are imperative to understanding our failing infrastructures, and how the A&E community can lead the way in solving our global issue.

We welcome the new year with a new, revamped and reborn, Level Design Podcast. We’ve got a lot in store for the year including special guests, a new co-host, top-notch podcasting equipment, and a team to help us get this message to as many design professionals as possible.

In this episode:

✅ We introduce Murray, our new co-host

✅ We discuss the state of Engineers and Architects

✅ We discuss the state of infrastructure and the public

✅ We talk about the best path forward as a country and as a design pro

✅ We talk about what’s changed since COVID-19

✅ We cover taking risks and making mistakes in our field

✅ We talk about why many are losing motivation to go into Architecture or Engineering

EP 5: The Future of Employment

I believe we are in an employee and employer revolution. I think we are in a place where there’s disillusionment from both parties about the other.

Disjointed expectations between the two. The last time this happened at the scale was after the depression. So what’s the solution to this problem? Let’s explore.

EP 4: Organizational Change – Restoring Purpose

Innovative business structures are emerging. B-Corporation (For-Benefit) that are legally required to make business decisions based on profit, people, and the planet. In today’s episode we explore how these new models can impact you and the old models are outdated and broken. It’s time for a change.

We are shifting our thinking so that Architects and Engineers can thrive in this industry.

✅ The pros and cons of the current business model within most A&E firms.
✅ How For-Benefit Corporations are changing the industry and the world.|
✅ How the For-Benefit business structure allows you to thrive.

EP 3: Modernizing our industry for the benefit of the Design Professional

The modernization of the business of A&E is going to happen, and needs to happen. In fact, it is happening as we speak. In this episode we look at technology and new business structures that are changing the way we work, collaborate, market, buy, sell and live.

We are shifting our thinking so that Architects and Engineers and thrive in this industry. We take a look at exponential change in other industries that quickly put behemoth companies out of business in a matter of years. Why couldn’t they pivot? Why didn’t they embrace technological evolution?

EP 2: The Industry Isn’t Going to Increase Your Fair Market Value

How much of your Fair Market Value are you keeping? Based on conversations with architects and engineers across the country of all different disciplines and ages, we have a pretty good guess.

We’ve looked at the past 40 years to project the next 40 within the design industry. In this episode Scott discusses the past, present, and future of your fair market value. How can we keep more of it? If you feel like you’re not keeping much of your Fair Market Value, be sure to listen to this episode in its entirety.

EP 1: Are You A Commodity

In our conversations with architects and engineers across the country of all different disciplines and ages, we have started to hear a common theme. The business of A&E has diverged from the practice of A&E.

Is today’s episode, Scott explores the history of our industry, how we got here and what the future holds. If you are an A&E professional feeling more like a commodity than a valued design professional, be sure to listen to this episode in its entirety.